Old Ladies Run "Posh" Out

Boob Seeman and Mad Robinson cannot be blamed for this alone:

What has Edyth Kelleher done but sit on her butt and year after year promise that she will fix the water cost/source problem and promise she will video and present the Vienna Gov online but has done nothing to hurt her aspirations of running for higher office?

What has Polychrones done but sit on his big butt and done absolutely nothing? He is a say nothing and a do nothing. nepotism is great, huh? Mike P.? These council simpletons have reinvented the "Know Nothing Party" of the 1850's...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know-Nothing_movement

Everyone knows that Cole is too damned preoccupied in her deals with developers like Bukont to deal with the pressing issues we face in Vienna.

George Lovelace is but a mere puppet of Maud.

And that leaves the newcomer, who by all accounts should be following in the shoes of Syd Verinder, the only councilman who actually tried to make a change for the better in Vienna, but alas, it appears, that Dan Dellinger will follow in the same well worn path of Mad Robinson. Remember this, Dan, greatness doesn't arise from popularity or votes. I'll challenge you to actually break from this pack and push strongly for the changes this town requires to survive in the next decades to come. And I don't mean just a stray vote here and there. I challenge you to voice real opposition to the machine that put you into office. My bet is, you don't have the guts for real honor, real courage, and real insight and strength under fire that will take to upset the corruption that Maud has so preciously controlled to keep her people where she can. So remember this, you are serve on the delight of Maud, an old, corrupt, narrow minded political hack who has absolutely nothing else to show in her life but her machine. Nothing. Typical corrupt politician.

If the readers think I am being a bit harsh or even rude, I am, but reality is reality. These people sit on the council, and that includes Mayor Boob seeman, simply because Maud allows them and has their word that they will not upset the apple cart.

If we are lucky maybe we can just put a bank back in here again.

I was just revisiting the Vienna newsletter and noticing that we now have a Town/Business Liaison Committee. It appears that their main objective is "to explore ways to incorporate local business and activities at the Town Green." In addition to this value there are awards and ribbon cutting ceremonies. Oh boy. I do not see anything about bringing viable businesses to Vienna, or helping existing businesses with issues such as parking. To Tyson's we go...excellent move Jane, Maud and TC!

Oh, HV, you are so silly. I can hear the applause now from the residents of Vienna:

"Posh was TOO expensive. I NEVER shopped there. Just like I don't goto Bazin's. Most of us are not made of money like the rich yuppies who live in Bukont's houses or live in NW. Posh should just move to Great Falls where all there clients live anyhow. Don't let the door kick you in the ass, Posh! I'm going to start a door-to-door campaign to bring back Peter Pan."

Do I exaggerate? Hardly.

I've lived here 10 years and I've never even heard of the place... so sorry if I missed something, but I guess this isn't going to affect my life.

What should be affecting your life, if you weren't in dope land, is that almost every piece of commercial property in Vienna, if torn down, could not be rebuilt as is. The whole Town is "grandfathered" and could not be rebuilt as is now due to the current zoning code. What does this mean? It means that there is NO incentive to fix or replace an existing building. Posh has a large brick building with 5 parking spots - a situation that dates back decades. Problem? The old bags running Vienna won't step up and "fix" the zoning code so buildings don't continue to either fall into disrepair, attract bozo tenants or simply become Burger Kings or another bank. Got any of that "You're kidding me right?"? It's not about Posh alone, it's about the old Anita's across from Magruders, it's about the multiple mattress stores, its about the old movie theater, etc. This was why there was a Maple Avenue Vision Committee to deal with basic issues that most people "get". Alas, Maud wants power more than achievement and in turn Vienna's commercial areas on many parcels literally rot.

I find it hard to believe there is more than 1 or 2 people who have lived here 10 years who have not driven by Posh many times per week. Whether or not you shop there, is a different story. I have yet to meet a woman in town who hasn't ventured in the store just to see.

But, I guess most of us don't even pretend to shop in Vienna, so I guess it is possible.

The Fairfax County real estate assessment page says that some outfit called Vienna Dominion Properties LLC bought the property for $3.1M in February (even though the 2007 assessment was only $2.3M). Did the new owners throw Posh out?

Boy Kidding you might need to get out of the hole your in. Posh has been written up in magazines. It is also in Vienna's first bank building. I'm glad though since it does not affect YOU we can all be a bit happier.

That selfish attitude is not what a community is about "kidding". "If it doesn't effect me then it doesn't matter".

Good thing you have another Posh here in the states now!

Posh hell. I don't even frequent Vienna Bargains on Maple Ave. All my things come from those piles of trash on the streets. Anyone have a good refrigerator their throwing out?

Happier
effects
Banks
3,100,000 dollars
Refrigerators
trash
Peter Pan
Bazins
kidding
limited parking
???

It looks as though this town is as stupid as the people who are running the show.

What just happened here? Paying that much for a 2 floor building and little means to produce a return, should do two things:

1. Motivate a good investigative reporter to sniff out what is obviously going on behind the scenes. Backroom deals, deja vu.

2. Motivate the Feds to sniff out any criminal activity that maybe associated with this transaction. From what I hear, there may be something worth turning over a few stones here to uncover actions that may be similar to the Bukont-Cole fiasco...

Stay tuned, more to come, soon.

I'm sure I've driven by Posh lots of times, but I simply have never looked at it and never heard anyone talk about it. My point was that I'm not going to blame the town government about an individual store deciding to close down - particularly if it's one I've never heard of. If we hear Whole Foods is moving out of town, then I'm going to have an issue!

However, I'm (as usual) a bit confused about the consistency of what people are all upset about. In this thread, I've got Moron Detector upset with me because:

"almost every piece of commercial property in Vienna, if torn down, could not be rebuilt as is. The whole Town is "grandfathered" and could not be rebuilt as is now due to the current zoning code. What does this mean? It means that there is NO incentive to fix or replace an existing building. "

On the other hand, we've got the latest news on HV which is concerned about out of town developers tearing down the Wolf Trap motel (a constant source of complaints on this board) and Tequila Grande (a lame excuse for a Mexican restaurant):

http://www.historicvienna.com/2007/09/wolftrap_motel_and_tequila_gra.html

But when we tear down the old building for a bank or a Burger King, that's bad too. And this from the blog devoted to beloved property rights.

So which is it?

PS - as a side note, the old Anita's isn't going to get replaced regardless of zoning because the lot's the size of a postage stamp. What else would you put there?

1. Posh example is but an example of an ongoing larger problem. You know that.

2. Adding another bank or fast food restaurant is moronic. If Vienna would work with developers, both sides could win and be happy. Clearly, you are some crank sitting around with zero knowledge of community planning. You are very good with red herring logic though. You probably even feel like you are winning an argument or saying something smart.

3. Point with 17M purchase is that Vienna has no control over what gets built. You read Vision Committee notes? In other forward thinking communities proffers are used that are win win for community and developer. The nickel heads running Vienna cut their teeth handing out library cards and making up a fake Vienna history in garden clubs. Perhaps we should not expect them to know better?

4. Yes, we understand Anitas is small. Thanks for the heads up. So your plan is to let it rot and fall into the ground? Forward thinking politicians would figure out a way to make that property work for the community as a whole and the builder. The {...]s running Vienna think like you, their heads stuck buried in sand, sounding off crank filled rants.

Go crawl back under your rock or at least make an argument that makes sense.

I think it is important to find out who Vienna Dominion Properties is/are-why would they buy a lot MORE in Vienna knowing the small minded thinking of this Town, especially since other investors are leaving tired of the deathwatch of this current TC. In addition an investor coming in and seeing retail space still for lease would wonder. So that is why I am curious again as to who this is, what do they know or more importantly around here what will they get? Was Posh even given first rights to this building?

"You're kidding me right?" is:

1. A TC member.
2. A TC child.
3. A close TC friend.
4. A Town employee.

No one else would say such moronic things.

As usual, we get the usual series of name calling attacks and accusations of being part of the town government. Sorry folks - just an ordinary SE resident here. One who never really thought much about town politics until last year's election and my discovery of this site. Just the sort of person everyone on this site says should start paying attention.

HV claims the site wants people to "say something for or against content on the site. Be specific and add value to the discourse." but as soon as you say anything that doesn't agree with the me-too vibe, attacks without substance are the reply from the peanut gallery.

OK HV... if I'm such an idiot and you are so brilliant, why don't you "add value" and tell us what you'd do with zoning and what would result with Anitas? Something besides "it's all the town government's fault".

Better yet, why don't you buy the property and actualize your vision?

I guess I should state where I stand on this issue. I do not like seeing great businesses run out of town (Posh) but I would not mind if 90% of Vienna were razed. Good riddance to the Flea Trap motel.

And, you did hit a sore spot. Tequila Grande is great - I guess you just don't like the Indian flair.

OK HV... if I'm such an idiot and you are so brilliant, why don't you "add value" and tell us what you'd do with zoning and what would result with Anitas? Something besides "it's all the town government's fault".

Read the Maple Avenue Vision Committee report. Please stop being a twit.

Kidding have you even read the site or is it like Posh you don't know where it is? Informed means just that. No one is name calling. You really do have to listen a bit more. I think that those of us who are tired of the abuse also get tired of explaining and re-explaining our stance on zoning. Maybe HV needs to have a link for zoning for dummies. Now you just go down 123 and don't worry about having to pass through Vienna and also don't worry what others have to go through.

Turn Anita's property into a cemetery and charge an entrance fee to allow us dogs to visit. That concept is in effect in a DC cemetery I believe. Check out Virginia's laws for establishing a cemetery.

HV-

Ok, I read through the Maple Avenue Vision Committee report. I still don't see how it explains what you'd do with a building like the old Anita's. Form-based zoning and a raised height requirement still doesn't answer what you do with a tiny space with virtually no parking that would be any better than what's there today. What are they going to do, build a tiny 5 story building with a tiny retail and 4 one bedroom apartments?

And for the record, if the goal of the form-based zoning is to encourage mixed-use development of 123, then I can live without it. I'd prefer to have 123 like it is today than to develop it in the same way Arlington and Falls Church are doing with their corridors. In my mind, more apartments and living spaces will simply mean more traffic in the end. I feel the same way about the mess they're planning around the Vienna Metro.

Vienna Mommy-
Sorry if I touched a nerve. Lots of people like Tequila Grande... I'm simply not one of them.

...I'd prefer to have 123 like it is today...

You don't have that option. That's the whole point. The Town as is can be razed and big block stores put up. That will happen if we don't get out in front of the issue. I asked you to stop being a twit.

Additionally, sitting back and saying "Anitas" is too small, so therefore we do can nothing, is typical response of TC dinosaurs. Now I want you to try, think real hard, and imagine a solution for old Anitas. Let us all see the diversity of your background, education and creativity. Shock us with some thought, any thought. Ok?

This is all very fun, but no one has said why exactly the Posh people are leaving and where they are going. Can you enlighten us? Please, don't just blame it on Maudonomics. Did they lose their lease, did they go bankrupt, are they retiring to Florida, or what?

Keep throwing those stones, HV... but I'm still waiting on something from you. And I didn't bring up the old Anita's, that was Moron Dectector.

This is all very fun, but no one has said why exactly the Posh people are leaving and where they are going. Can you enlighten us? Please, don't just blame it on Maudonomics. Did they lose their lease, did they go bankrupt, are they retiring to Florida, or what?

The building was sold for 3M to someone. Where did that number comes from? No one can figure that amount out for that size parcel with only 5 parking spots. Seeman knows, but she ain't talking. This all ties in to Robinson and Seenut's plan to raze the Vienna Inn...as the Posh property was owned by the same owner of the elevated building on the rear of the Vienna Inn.

Keep throwing those stones, HV... but I'm still waiting on something from you.

Not throwing stones. To refer to you as a twit is a matter of fact. Your words are here for all to see. What other conclusion can be drawn from your debating ability?

Now I have given you a strong indication of what can be done with Anitas (full detail of Vision report), and you would be foolish to think the issue has not been thought through on this end, but we would all like to first see some demonstration of effort, intelligence, creativity...on your end. You can surely imagine something more than the current dilapidated building sitting there falling into the ground? Come on. No one wants to think of you as a twit. I want to believe you have the ability to understand, reason and comprehend these issues. I really do.

Okay, we all know that you think Mr. Kidding is a twit, but I still don't know why Posh is leaving. If you ever figure it out, please consider posting that information on your web site. If you determine that they're relocating to somewhere in the area, how about posting that info as well so their loyal customers (like vienna mommy) can continue to shop at their store?

HV, let's just be clear. You've provided nothing of the sort. All the full detail of the vision report provides is a suggestion that the town switch to form-based zoning, with the goal of encouraging mixed-use development. No argument beyond that simple fact has been provided by you.

So call me a twit, and continue to listen to the sound of your complants as the bounce off the echo chamber that this blog usually devolves into.

I've said something against the content on the site, and attempted to be specific and add value. I'm happy with my role.

Loyal shopper?! HA HA HA

Posh's retail store will be gone forever. If you want their design services, I believe that still may be happening.

This all goes back to Maud & Jane looking to ONLY do economic development around THEIR green. Ask Jane why she REFUSES to meet with the Posh people.

OMG kidding you like the 23 banks, the gas stations ect..? You like how dangerous it is to walk on that road? Well you probably don't walk around on that road. Where are you from originally? I'm with Vienna mommy Tequila Grande is great for families, plus it is one of the only places to sit outside and eat where you do not feel you are in a parking lot. We need more al fresco dining, but I guess you wouldn't like that either.

Back to topic why don't you go in and ask the owner of Posh herself?

I guess I don't understand. Nothing can be done with the old Anitas with the current zoning. It is not possible to even tear down & rebuild exactly like the original since it is non-conforming to even the current zoning. Almost all of Maple Avenue is non-conforming to today's zoning.

If a form-based zoning was implemented, there would be incentive to have owners work together (or sell together) to help rejuvenate the obvious decay that is happening. With our current zoning, NOTHING CAN BE DONE. We are stuck.

So Susan and vienna mommy, you know why Posh is leaving, but you don't want to tell anyone? What's up with that?

If the Posh people are so aggrieved, why aren't they posting here?

If the Posh people are so aggrieved, why aren't they posting here?

Do you actually think we have made up the content on this site? All of the documented lies in form of text, audio and video direct from the mouths of Jane and Maud? Do you know what a machine is? Do you realize the power these people have in Vienna affairs? Have you been to school? Do you have any education? Which child or friend of Jane and Maud are you? Do you really think the thousands reading here read your post and go "great point, he cast doubt on the historicvienna.com website?" Please keep talking, everyone here grounded with some form of ethical foundation realizes we need people like you so we can make the point we are trying to make. Please don't stop saying dumb things.

I could say: what we have here is a failure to communicate... But, the real problem is simple: VIENNA lacks any true leadership and guidance from any and everyone of our elected officials. Will Robinson, Seeman, Cole, Keheller, Lovelace, Dellinger, or Polychrones do anything or stand up to the plate to show real leadership? The answer is an resounding, NO! Their track record with helping us with traffic, taxes, video, water sources, shopping, sidewalks, etc... is nonexistent. Our government is behaving like a small, red-neck, nepotism ridden egomaniacal group simply because we let them. They are incapable of behaving any other way, and until we get this lot out of power, Vienna will continue to be governed by people who are ill-equipped to see and understand what we need to do to keep Vienna strong and community oriented. And I don't mean just having a county fair, parades, or a 4th of July Fireworks celebration. That's all nice, but its all icing on the cake. We need substance, and that's exactly what the TC lacks. They simply do not have what it takes. None of the usual suspects have ever shown that they are even interested in working outside the box.

Back to topic why don't you go in and ask the owner of Posh herself? How much more clearer can I say that? I am not going to speculate, to do so would be rumor mongering.

So we have the headline 'Old Ladies Run "Posh" Out'. When asked how exactly did Maud and Jane run Posh out, HV.com hurls insults and accusations, and Susan says she can't answer because she's too noble to spread rumors.

This myth is busted.

And please, will the sycophant children of Town management come online (yet again) and make some posts about how wonderful their parents are?

Mission accomplished it appears!

Just a note because this site is fun to read -- the last time I ate at Tequila Grande, it was raining and their were buckets all over the interior of the restaurant collecting water from all the leaks in the ceiling. It grossed me out and I don't plan to eat there again. So, I guess I'm glad something else is going to be done with the property.