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It has come to HistoricVienna.com's attention that residents on the 300 block of Lewis Street are fed up with the water problem they have been experiencing for years.

Our question is how much money should be spent on a "study" to say that sidewalk, curb and gutter is needed in NW Vienna?

May 17, 2008
Mayor M. Jane Seeman and Council Members
Town of Vienna
127 Center Street, South
Vienna, VA 22180

RE: Need for Stormwater Management Improvements on the 300 Block of Lewis St., NW

Honorable Mayor Seeman and Council Members:

We, the undersigned residents of the 300 Block of Lewis Street, NW, hereby request that you authorize and fund adequate stormwater improvements to remedy the severe flooding problems that affect our neighborhood. These problems have existed for at least 18 years and have caused serious property damage to many of our neighbors. Our neighbors on and near the 400 Block of Lewis Street may have similar problems, but we didn’t have time to survey them before submitting this letter to you.

At least 10 neighbors report heavy flooding or rushing streams of stormwater through their properties, up to 6 inches deep and often 20 feet wide (at times, more), during heavy rains. Neighbors have lost thousands of dollars (sometimes repeatedly) in ruined carpets, warped hardwood floors, ruined appliances, and rotted and destabilized fences from frequent high flooding. Some of our neighbors have installed expensive drainage and landscaping improvements simply to keep the stormwater out of their homes. Four neighbors maintain permanent sandbags to prevent flooding, and a couple had resorted to special door treatments to prevent infiltration. Several of us have discussed these problems in the past with Town government officials, with no satisfactory resolution. Detailed complaints of some of our neighbors are attached. We are exasperated and angry and believe this isn’t just the problem of individual homeowners but of the Town. Here’s why.

Even though some of the flooding waters come onto our property across our neighbors’ yards, this is not a neighbor-on-neighbor complaint. The culprits are the cumulative effects of development in this section of the Town and the lack of an adequate stormwater system for our neighborhood. We live in a basin bounded on at least three sides by slopes that drain onto our properties from hundreds of feet, even blocks, away. And much of the stormwater that flows over our private properties comes off public
right- of-ways, in some cases by design and in others by default.

We will have representatives present at your May 20 work session on capital projects budgeting and would be happy to supply any additional information you or staff may need. John Mooney (who lives with his wife, Meg Sullivan, at 314 Lewis Street) has agreed to serve as our contact for the time being; he can be reached at jmooney7@verizon.net or 703-477-8460.

Sincerely,

THE LEWIS STREET NEIGHBORS
(see attached signatures)

/s/
Meg Sullivan, 314 Lewis
John Mooney, 314 Lewis
Jean Coles, 318 Lewis
Julius Coles, 318 Lewis
Peter McKeen, 333 Lewis
Ruth McKeen, 333 Lewis
Young Gallmetzer, 310 Lewis
Sherry Dart, 331 Lewis
Peter and Mildred Secor, 306 Lewis
Carol Beurmann, 327 Lewis
Michael Beurmann, 327 Lewis
John Lucca, 323 Lewis
Carla Peterson, 304 Lewis
Erik Peterson, 304 Lewis
Frances English, 322 Lewis
Lyn Beer, 302 Lewis
Lori Beer, 302 Lewis
William Padgett, 300 Lewis
Mary Padgett, 300 Lewis
Ronald Frank, 337 Lewis
Twyla Frank, 337 Lewis

ATTACHMENTS: Signature sheet and individual stormwater complaints
CC: John H. Schoeberlein, Town Manager

Neighbors’ Individual Stormwater Complaints (5/2008)

302 Lewis Lawrence (Lori) and Lyn Beer
• After heavy rains, a flow of water up to 6” deep and 20’ wide runs through their back yard.

304 Lewis Erik and Carla Peterson
• A “river” flows through their back yard after rains, leaving mud deposits.
• Because of the elevation of their house, they have had no flooding of their house.

306 Lewis Peter and Marie-Mildred Secor
• After heavy rains, a stream of water 6” deep and 8’ wide runs through their back yard.
• They can’t build anything along their fence because of the water.
• They are worried about flooding of their home.
• Several years ago, within 10 minutes of a watermain break on Knoll Street, their backyard was flooded.

310 Lewis Young Sum Gallmetzer
• She has sandbags around a ground-level vent at the front of her house.
• She has a large stream of water flowing through her back yard during heavy rains.
• In such cases, water comes into her house from her flooded backyard.

314 Lewis Meg Sullivan and John Mooney
• The lower level of this split-level have been flooded almost annually since the current owner moved here, three times severe flooding, and once by 3 inches of water. Water has flooded their whole back yard during especially heavy rains, up to an inch deep on the concrete back patio door.
• The owner has had to replace the carpet and wooden flooring twice in the lower level.
• The owner had to calk shut a ground-floor door to have peace of mind before an extended absence.
• The owner has permanently sandbagged the side door (at grade entrance to the lower level) to protect against heavy rains when the owner is absent.
• The owner has to set the alarm clock during heavy night rains in order to check sandbags and wet vacuum the lower level.
• During the recent May 11 storm, a flow of several hundreds of gallons per minute formed a swiftly moving stream 4-6 inches deep and 8-20 feet wide through the back and side yard for about three hours, requiring John to bail water from the protective sandbag dike the whole while.

318 Lewis Julius and Jean Coles
• Serious flooding of their back and side yards began when the Orchard Court development was built about 1988.
• This flooding caused destabilization and rotting of their backyard fence, resulting in a $2000 repair cost.
• They have permanently sandbagged their grade-level door to the lower level of their split-level home.
• Water came into their basement 2-3 times after especially heavy rains. The worst basement flooding was several years ago during the heavy rains with frozen snow on the ground.

322 Lewis Neill and Frances English
• Three years ago, their house flooded and their family-room carpeting was ruined.
• Since then, they have had to reframe and replace the rear door to their home, and have sandbagged that door both outside and inside.

327 Lewis Mike and Carol Beurmann
• Had to install French drains around their house (rear and front) at the cost of $6500, because of frequent flooding into basement. They had to replace their carpet once @~$600.
• Their back shed still floods and accumulates mud after heavy rains.
• Heavy rains still create a swampy area between their and the Darts’ house.
• The gullies and pipes along Lewis Street fill up with debris after heavy rains.

331 Lewis Bob and Sherrie Dart
• Their basement has flooded when their sump pump went out during a heavy rain. Once it was so bad that they had to replace their hot-water heater and furnace.
• Water pools in their back yard after rain.

333 Lewis Peter and Ruth McKeen
• Significant streams of water come down the hill into their backyard and threaten their house during heavy rains, despite an elaborate berm and drainage system (~$5000) they installed in 2006.
• Their first-floor carpet was damaged in 2006.

Comments

Seeman could care less.

That section of Lewis Street is number 6 on the list. From witnessing damage after heavy rains, Lewis Street should be number one. I believe some neighbors will not let one tree be taken down, so everyone is stuck with continual damage to their properties. No study is worth $30K to say take down 10 trees and put up sidewalk/curb/gutter.

NW residents what say you?

http://www.historicvienna.com/2008/06/vienna_politicians_are_big_fat.html

It was more important for the Mayor and TC to spend money on a Town Green than to fix a decaying infrastructure. Tsk Tsk!!!

People like Lyn Beer and Sherry Dart have spread lies and rumors over the years directed towards other neighbors in NW Vienna regarding the Historic District. A certain meeting in the Louise Archer cafeteria comes to mind where these two co-conspirators engaged in a particularly disgusting show of rah-rah-rah for the Town.

They are now fully understanding for themselves just how inactive and corrupt the Town officials/ politicians are here in Vienna.

BEST OF LUCK TO YOU LEWIS STREET RESIDENTS. I LIVED AT 130 PLEASANT ST NW (25 YEARS) WHEN 316 WINDOVER WAS TORN DOWN AND REBUILT. DUE TO REGRADING OF OVER AN ACRE OF LAND ALL RAIN WATER AND HEAVY MUD ON THE LOT THEN DRAINED TOWARD 130 PLEASANT WITH MUD FLOWING INTO OUR YARD AND BASEMENT WINDOW. THE MAYOR AND PUBLIC WORKS WERE INFORMED. NOTHING HAPPENED EXCEPT SOME ALLEGED ENGINEER FROM PUBLIC WORK SHOWED UP WITH HIS HANDS IN HIS POCKETS SAYING ALL THAT IS REQUIRED IS THAT A SILT FENCE WAS UP AND WORKING. HE HAD NO ANSWER WHEN ASKED "ISN'T MUD SILT." THUS PUBLIC WORKS DID NOTHING. LARGE COLOR PHOTOS OF THE MUD, ETC. WERE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL. THEY LOOKED, GRUNTED AND DID NOTHING. SUBSEQUENTLY, THE PRESENT HEAD OF PUBLIC WORKS SIGNED OFF ON AN OCCUPANCY PERMIT FOR THE FINISHED NEW HOUSE ON WINDOVER EVEN THOUGH FOUR 4" CONDUITS THAT COLLECTED ALL THE WATER FROM THE SIZABLE FRONT RAIN GUTTERS WERE DIRECTLY AIMED AT 130 PLEASANT FROM ABOUT 8 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. I GUESS THAT'S YET ANOTHER FICKLE FINGER AWARD SENT BY THE TOWN COUNCIL, STAFF AND CERTAIN OLD MEMBERS OF THE TAX SUPPORTED HISTORIC VIENNA INC. ORGANIZATION TO THE OWNERS (PAST AND PRESENT) OF 130 PLEASANT. SO, ONCE AGAIN, BEST OF LUCK TO YOU LEWIS STREET RESIDENTS ON SOLVING YOUR WATER PROBLEM.

They are now fully understanding for themselves just how inactive and corrupt the Town officials/ politicians are here in Vienna.

Yes, they are...

Update from Sun Gazette on the Lewis Street flood:

* Approved a $29,486 contract with Tri-Tek Engineering to study possible drainage improvements on Orchard, Lewis, West and Knoll streets, N.W.

Several town residents told the council that flooding problems, exacerbated by the building of ever-larger houses, have increased in recent years.

Julius Coles of 318 Lewis St., N.W., pressed town officials to invest in a lasting solution for the problem.

“My yard is like a major lake” after heavy rains, Coles said. “My basement has been fortified with sandbags. The last time I used sandbags was in the war in Vietnam.”

I think the Lewis Street residents know what needs to be done. I think anyone walking by know what needs to be done. Curb and gutters! Why do we need to spend that kind of tax money on a study. After the study is finished (ha ha...that's where they always get us) how much money will be left over to actually FIX THE PROBLEM??
I hate to say it but Lewis Street this is what you get for defending these bafoons. Isn't one of your caring neighbors George? I wonder if he got any of his famous pictures of the destruction the rain causes?!

I hope the folks on Lewis Street are not holding their breath for the town to do something. My neighbors (3 seperate families) have requested assistance regarding storm drainage problems. Town keeps saying it is not their problem. It is their problem because it involves drainage from a number of houses uphill from the property and poor planing by the town in the development process.

Didn't they know it rains when they moved there?

Good luck to the Lewis Street residents. I hope TC solves your drainage issues.

On a similar note, I came home the other day to see the Town of Vienna installing a 6-inch curb right in front of my house (no where else), to steer storm water down the street. The unusual thing is that I have a storm drain right in front of my house, on the other side of the sidewalk. This burm now prevents the water from going into the storm drain...it just flows down the street into another storm drain. I'm not certain if that was the best use of money, supplies and labor.

Green Hedges?

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