Are You Afraid?
Below is a quote from the Washington Post regarding the need for the Tysons Corner redevelopment. You could have just as easily inserted Vienna where it says Tysons. Vienna is at a crossroads: are we going to die or go forward? I think the crime, flophouses and boarded up buildings say it all. Do we head towards the future with 86 year old Maud or someone half her age?
Folks, let's all make the right choices together.
"For 45 years I've watched things develop in the worst possible way. I can't imagine people wanting that, or more of that," said Clark Tyler, who heads the Tysons Land Use Task Force, which has led the effort and plans to offer county officials detailed proposals in September.
"At some point you say, 'Enough already!' " Tyler said. "Those are the only choices: Do it the way it's always been done -- suburban sprawl, piecemeal approvals -- or you can agree to an overall plan that is going to transform the place into something more livable and enjoyable."
Planners See Sleek Future For Tysons On Mall's 40th Birthday, Officials Chart a Makeover for AreaBy Michael Laris
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 23, 2008; B01In her three decades drawing maps for the U.S. government, Juliette Lacovaro charted the intricate contours of Hawaii and handled classified work during the Vietnam War. Now 84, the McLean resident sees a dream task emerging just a mile from her home: mapping the new Tysons Corner.
"Oh, if I were younger, I would love to do that. How exciting that would be," Lacovaro said. "It's going to be big. It's just going to be a city within itself."
Tysons Corner Center turns 40 Friday, and yesterday Lacovaro, who works refilling stacks of maps and helping hungry and lost shoppers find their way in the mall, was ushering Northern Virginia's political and commercial luminaries up a sweltering elevator to a birthday bash and transportation ribbon-cutting ceremony atop a seven-story parking garage.
The region's biggest shopping mall, whose construction in a triangle of land between the Capital Beltway and routes 123 and 7 seeded decades of development, now occupies just one piece of a vast redevelopment plan for the area. Planners want to make over a 1,700-acre swath of Fairfax County into what Board of Supervisors Chairman Gerald E. Connolly (D) yesterday called "the green city of the future."
That future actually began with the completion of the mall. When Lacovaro arrived a decade later, she said, it was still "easy to get around" and "spacious." The area evolved, as did the mall, which added a Bloomingdale's in 1976. (First lady Betty Ford cut the ribbon.) "It wasn't what you call a one-horse town, but it wasn't what you have today," Lacovaro said. The shopping begat offices and more shopping. Now, 120,000 people head to work in Tysons daily. Most of them drive and drive alone.
Officials and business leaders hope to transform that grinding machine from car-dependent sprawl into a sleek model of urban elegance and character.
It's a soaring aspiration for a traffic-snarled stretch of strip malls and high-end office towers, where mattress and couch stores, car dealerships and lawyers' offices mingle in an economically potent but messy brew of commerce that is hostile to pedestrians, who lack easy crossings, and drivers who lack infinite time.
But the planners who have spent three years hashing out an ambitious bid to remake the broader Tysons area say the hoped-for arrival of a Metro extension to Dulles International Airport is their big gun. If the needed federal and state funding is locked in, the resulting four stops in Tysons could shake up decades of history, they say.
"For 45 years I've watched things develop in the worst possible way. I can't imagine people wanting that, or more of that," said Clark Tyler, who heads the Tysons Land Use Task Force, which has led the effort and plans to offer county officials detailed proposals in September.
"At some point you say, 'Enough already!' " Tyler said. "Those are the only choices: Do it the way it's always been done -- suburban sprawl, piecemeal approvals -- or you can agree to an overall plan that is going to transform the place into something more livable and enjoyable."
The executives who own Tysons Corner Center have taken seriously all the talk about transforming the world their mall helped create. There is no more car-centric activity than heading to Tysons to shop. But if the future really means people flocking to buy condominiums in the Tysons area and strolling to upscale retailers, they and other executives want in.
"We've got retail down pretty good," said Charles Cope, vice president of Macerich East Development, referring to his company's mall and its competitors in Tysons. "The biggest change I see in Tysons Corner is going to be the construction of housing."
Rail stops and more residents are good for business. "That makes our world better," said Timothy J. Steffan, a Macerich vice president. "There's more people here. It's easier to get here."
In January 2007, Macerich got permission from Fairfax officials to build 3.5 million square feet of residential, office and hotel space to be tied in with a planned Metro station along Route 123 beside the mall. Macerich's shopping center has 2.25 million square feet. Many other firms have similar projects in the pipeline and are awaiting new county plans.
Critics, including some in smaller communities such as McLean, say they fear being swamped by traffic from the new Tysons developments.
But Connolly and others said an uptick in housing and plans to build a network of street grids and a dedicated bus system will help take the pressure off the main thoroughfares and cut down on congestion.
"Nobody lives here," Connolly said. The 17,000 Tysons residents have no way of filling its 120,000 jobs, he said. The people who drive increase the traffic. The idea is that future residents will have shorter distances to travel and more public transit to take.
"There are citizens in Vienna and McLean who are very nervous about this," Tyler said. "They've seen what I've seen, which is a lot of untrammeled growth, which appears to be not very well planned. We were obviously not dealing with a clean slate. We had one of the most cluttered slates you can have in the planning business."
The officials gathered on the rain-soaked parking deck at Tysons yesterday also kicked off construction of 14 miles of toll and carpool lanes on the Beltway, which will tie into Tysons and stretch south to Springfield. Potting soil was poured on a brown tarp for the photos of the groundbreaking.
The $1.4 billion high-occupancy toll lanes project is scheduled to be finished in 2013. Carpoolers will travel free, but other drivers will face prices that rise or fall based on how many cars are in the lanes. There is no ceiling.
At the Tysons Corner Center birthday party, models sat behind a curtain waiting for a fashion show to start charting 40 years of changing styles. The theme was: "Everything old is new again." A pink and blue tie-dyed skirt and Grateful Dead T-shirt stood in for the '60s and a bright cherry-red outfit for the disco '70s.
A modern, retro-inspired floral-print dress "could have been on Goldie Hawn in 'Laugh-In,' " said Vicki Tamburo, who modeled in Tysons department stores 20 years ago and was helping put on the show.
"Fashion is such an evolving process," Tamburo said. "The mall is evolving as well."
Plan to Remake Tysons Corner Envisions Dense Urban CenterBy Amy Gardner
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 29, 2008; A01The transformation of Tysons Corner from a car-dominated tangle of offices, malls and auto dealers into a livable city will start moving ahead in the coming weeks.
Fairfax County leaders and landowners are unveiling sweeping proposals to build densely packed high-rises, miles of new streets, and enough parks, schools, police stations and firehouses to serve an entirely new place.
The results could determine the future not only of Virginia's mightiest jobs hub, but also what happens across the country. Urban-renewal leaders are looking to Tysons as a model.
The plans come at a make-or-break time. Landowners and developers are ready to invest, but they say that if they are not given latitude to build more densely, they will redevelop under existing rules -- promising more of the same auto-dependent, suburban sprawl.
Rebuilding Tysons is a huge undertaking of unknown cost and other uncertainties, including whether Metrorail will ever be built through Tysons to Dulles International Airport. It is also a potentially explosive proposition that will bring out powerful civic groups opposed to too much development. It is at the mercy of the area's physical impediments, which include four major highways and paralyzing traffic. And it is dependent upon the willingness of landowners and taxpayers to bear the cost of building a city from the ground up.
"I'm calling this the audacity of change," Clark Tyler, chairman of a county-appointed study panel, told a group of business leaders recently. "This is our last chance to get it right."
Getting it right has been a 3 1/2 -year undertaking for the Tysons Land Use Task Force, an unwieldy collection of neighborhood representatives, business leaders and developers that is preparing to release a 200-page recommendation on how to remake Tysons. Appointed in 2004 by the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, the task force has studied every aspect of redeveloping Tysons Corner: parking management, traffic patterns, a "circulator" bus line, affordable housing, sewers, storm water.
The task is daunting. It's not easy to imagine a future city while idling at one of the interminable left-turn signals, or spilling off the eight-lane Capital Beltway, or sliding behind the wheel for a lunch date two blocks away because walking is out of the question. Tysons is Fairfax's de facto downtown, but it is a place with more parking (40 million square feet) than offices (28 million square feet); more workers who drive in (120,000) than residents who sleep in (17,000); highways that divide (Route 7, Route 123, the Dulles Toll Road, the Capital Beltway); and too few ways in and out.
Perhaps the biggest challenge facing Tysons is cost. To pay for new infrastructure, the task force is looking at special taxing districts or a development authority with borrowing power. But the real arrow in the quiver, as Tyler likes to say, is density. Allowing developers to build 10-, 20- or even 30-story buildings, one next to the other and without such conventional suburban requirements as parking and distance from the next property, is the key to exacting money from them to rebuild Tysons.
The task force is rushing to finish its work for several reasons. Plans for a Metrorail extension are moving forward again after months of delays, promising four stations through the heart of Tysons. Demand for Earth-friendly urban development is growing with concerns about global warming. Landowners and developers are ready to invest.
Powerful constituencies are lined up against them. Tysons covers fewer than 2,000 acres and is surrounded by well-established residential neighborhoods. These communities, primarily with McLean, Vienna and Falls Church addresses, are anxious about the impact of a major development boom in Tysons. Organized groups such as Fairfax Citizens for Responsible Growth, the Greater Tysons Citizens Coalition and the McLean Citizens Association have criticized the task force for not demonstrating what the impact of development would be on traffic, schools and parks.
"We have supported an urbanization of Tysons, but there have to be sufficient public facilities there, one, to make it an attractive urban community, and two, to protect the surrounding neighborhoods," said Rob Jackson, president of the McLean Citizens Association.
Dozens of the 150 Tysons landowners say there will be. They say they are willing to spend millions demolishing what they have and laying new infrastructure if they are allowed to build big. They have teamed up to form at least six consortiums to make the most of their holdings, producing -- and finally revealing to the public -- dramatic renderings that divide Tysons into quadrants, or "rooms," of intimate, urban spaces.
Property owners stand to make huge profits. But they also argue for the environmental benefit of high-density development, particularly around Metro. People drive less when they live and work in urban areas and when parking is less abundant, they say. Their homes, with shared walls, cost less to heat and cool. They require fewer feet of water and sewer lines. Their carbon footprints shrink.
Boosters also argue about the economic necessity of changing the way Tysons has grown. With 6,000 businesses, 14 hotels and two malls, Tysons is Virginia's largest commercial district and the 15th largest in the nation. But because it is so auto-dependent, it is also choked by some of the worst traffic in the region.
"Our metro area is facing an enormous crisis," said Doug Carter, an architect with Davis Carter Scott Design who is leading the efforts of one group of property owners to remake the western end of Tysons Corner. "Growth is good. Growth is inevitable. Growth is coming. We're going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg for the entire Washington area unless we do something constructive here."
Some public officials are caught between the allure of an economically vibrant Tysons and the trepidation of nearby neighborhoods. Gerald E. Connolly, chairman of the county Board of Supervisors, has said that Tysons is not suited for the type of urban density characteristic of the Rosslyn-Clarendon-Ballston corridor in Arlington County. But his perspective has shifted more recently; at a recent luncheon, he told business leaders: "Gird yourselves for battle."
Connolly is responding, in part, to the fact that developers aren't the only advocates for unleashing a building boom in Tysons. Environmentalists and smart-growth advocates agree that urban density, "green" building requirements and deep limits on parking are proven ways to reduce traffic, storm water pollution and energy consumption, improve air quality and protect streambeds.
"I don't understand the hysteria," said Stella M. Koch of the Audubon Naturalist Society, who sits on the Tysons task force. "Every place that has these kinds of densities that people get frightened of are all places people like to go. Clarendon is a wonderful example where they've actually reduced car ownership, and where people go because it is so pleasant. If Tysons looked like that, with streams restored and improvements in air quality, we will have succeeded."
Comments
Here is my plan for Vienna:
Step 1. Unincorporate the Town and be absorbed by Fairfax County.
Step 2. Hitch a ride onto the Tysons redevelopment.
Posted by: vienna mommy | August 5, 2008 09:34 AM
If $3-$4/gallon gas is a reality, Tysons will almost have to go the way of the Wilson Boulevard corridor. I also suspect the 1/4-1/3 acre lots we have come to expect as a way of life in Vienna may go by the wayside.
How would 'hitching a ride onto the Tysons redevelopment' affect life for the residents of the former Town of Vienna? Aside from the temporary thrill of seeing Maud et al. removed from power, how would it make life better for regulars on this blog?
I suspect many, if not most, residents moved here to live in a town of single-family homes with fairly large lots -- I can't see people getting on board behind higher-density residential development.
I can see people supporting the 4-5 story development along our section of 123. I think people support that, but they are not so supportive of it that they are prepared to turn out Maud et al. over it.
A hike in water fees may anger people. Illegal aliens, if they annoy people outside the far southern reaches of town, will also be enough to anger people.
On the other hand, if the only alternative to the obnoxious incumbent(s) is substandard her/himself, the incumbent(s) will stay in.
Posted by: Shawn Pickrell | August 5, 2008 11:14 AM
Shawn:
I should have clarified - I meant hitching a ride in that Vienna's redevelopments needs to be all encompassing, well-planned and completely different from what we have now. I still do not want 10-20 story buildings (as I stated previously).
It appears that the Tysons Task Force is really thinking outside the box for residents who will be here for the next 20-30-100+ years. They are not thinking like an 86 year old woman who does NOT care about 10 years from now. She only cares about her immediate power.
Posted by: vienna mommy | August 5, 2008 11:30 AM
I suspect many, if not most, residents moved here to live in a town of single-family homes with fairly large lots - to live and raise our families in a community of LEGAL United States citizens.
What is going on in this town is the direct result of VTC's welcoming of people who broke our nations laws to get here and those that continue to demonstrate blatant contempt of our laws almost everyday here in Vienna. Don't take my word for it, read the VPD highlights.
This is anarchy and it is the direct result of electing officials that are "in" way-over-their-heads and as a result manage the town with an ostrich mentality.
The town must have elected officials that are not weak-on-law-enforcement. Unfortunately, the current crop of elected officials does not possess the courage to stand-up for their LEGAL Citizen neighbors and find it easier to provide comfort in aiding and abetting people who break our laws.
Posted by: J. "ayuda y facilitan" Seeman | August 5, 2008 12:58 PM
Vienna Mommy, I'm with you. But I have little faith that anything will change. Too many people think all change is bad.
Posted by: anne smith | August 5, 2008 03:10 PM
No problem -- I was corrected in my earliest belief that people on this blog want Maple Ave. to become a replica of Ballston.
The FFX Board of Supervisors wants to turn the Orange Line corridor and the Tysons corridor along the Silver Line into areas similar to Ballston.
Vienna, being between the two, is in an incredible position to benefit from these changes should they come to fruition (and if $4 gas is a reality going forward, they will.)
I agree with you in that Maud wants to keep things as they were in the 1970s -- this is simply not possible, nor is it even desirable (in my opinion.)
Posted by: Shawn Pickrell | August 5, 2008 03:26 PM
Just curious have the people who've posted concerning Tysons gone to many of the public workshops and attended some of the weekly/monthly Tysons Task Force Meetings? Or are you commenting mainly from the articles that have appeared in the papers?
Reason being that there are many neiboring people who are very much in favor of an urban Tysons, but are not in favor of the way the task force is making decisions. One of the main issues these people have is that the task force says they are not really looking at any issues beyond the boundaries of Tysons in their analysis due to increased growth (i.e. not considering traffic beyond the edge of Tysons at all, not looking at how Tysons fits into the DC area as a whole, etc). The task force though is relying on the adjacent towns for their schools, churches, parks, to support the new density at Tysons. People are worried the infrastructure will become overcapacitated. They are also concerned that the development will be great for the new residents in Tysons, but will be unaccessible for neighboring towns. Mainly though they are unsure how the new plan will change their lives - for good and bad - and they want to find out more detailed information to help plan for their future.
Tysons wasn't built so poorly because of any supernatural events - it was just bad planning on Fairfax County's part. Take a trip out to Centerville/Westfields area or even 7 Corners area to see some more examples of Fairfax County's bad comprehensive planning practices. I guess I fall somewhere in between Vienna's "lets not change anything" mentality and the task force's "let's allow everything to change immediately" mentality. I haven't seen enough good examples from Fairfax County to feel comfortable with them managing the density they are requesting at Tysons. I still am for an urban Tysons, just not one that will be able to be developed to its max overnight. Does anyone who's been to the Tysons meetings have any thoughts?
Posted by: Smart Growth Advocate | August 5, 2008 06:27 PM
For those of you advocating unincorporating Vienna - can you point to any examples of where Fairfax County has successfully managed growth? I honestly cannot. Arlington, yes, but Fairfax??? I don't like it that the town has been passive on this, or is still saying - "hey that water thing is something we need to look at" but dissolving the town is not the way to go. Change is needed but those who think county government is any more responsive are not being realistic.
Despite the bad, I would overwhelming choose to live in the town. Sure sidewalks could be built faster - but take a walk down any of the major streets after you leave Vienna, the sidewalks disappear or deteriorate very quickly. We are in much better shape there. In the recent storms, Public Works showed up while it was still raining to clear the huge tree that had fallen across my road less than 15 minutes after it fell. Youth programs run out of the community center are really good.
You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. By virtue of a local government, atleast we have the hope of controlling our destiny. Unincorporate and where does that leave us?
Posted by: Also longtime NW resident | August 6, 2008 12:36 AM
Where are all the boarded up buildings and flop houses? I haven't seen them, but then I don't drive through all parts of town.
Just because someone is old doesn't mean that they don't care about the future of Vienna. I care about the future of my town, even if I won't be around to enjoy it.
Posted by: SW mom | August 6, 2008 01:52 AM
LT NW resident & SW mom, I believe the “ultimate” question for the residents of Vienna is the quality of life in the town improving or declining? That answer might depend on what side of the town you live in.
You cite a number of concerns the town residents are currently debating. One has to consider what the cost/benefit is to the tax-paying citizens of Vienna? Last month, the Vienna Town Council approved the largest budget in the town’s history; almost $30 million dollars a year for the operation of a four square mile town. What is the return to the taxpayers on that annual investment? Take our main drag Rt. 123 in Vienna. Gone is the Heritage furniture store on the north side. Gone is That’s Amore restaurant. Gone is the Hancock Fabric Store. Gone is the Vienna Auction House. Gone is the Shell station on Glyndon. The BP on Park is up for sale. Gone is Hollywood Video. Gone is Cyrus Carpets. There is a commercial Building on Rt.123 wrapped in green tarping that is for sale. And, lastly the conspicuous Wolf Trap Motel. There you have the face-of-Vienna. Hardly seems inviting as compared to the other areas Money magazine ranks as desirable locals in No. VA; Burke, Hunter Mill, Reston, all unincorporated.
What is the Town Council’s plan to address the fact that Vienna residents pay 2x more for water than their Fairfax County resident counterparts? What is the Town’s plan to address the decaying water system infrastructure and what will ultimately be the cost to the town’s taxpayers?
Regarding illegal aliens and flophouses; there are a number of them in SE/SW Vienna. The VPD recently arrested three illegal aliens for sexual abusing three young girls at a flophouse on Cottage St. Take an “objective” drive around SE/SW Vienna and the flophouses are blatantly apparent.
There are those of us that are long tenured town residents that remember a Vienna of good neighbors, good schools, good community, organizations doing good work in the Town. Used to be in Vienna people worked for the goal of building-up the town as a decent, safe place to raise our families. Unfortunately, this is not the behavior illegal aliens are bringing to our community. Quite the opposite, the Vienna Police reports paint a clear and compiling picture that not only are the illegal aliens demonstrating a desire not to assimilate, they continue to demonstrate a complete contempt for our laws. The type of crime Vienna is witnessing today in our community is unprecedented in the town’s history. We are a nation of laws and the rule of law is paramount in our society. Vienna should be a compassionate but vigilant community; where people that have followed our immigration laws are fully embraced to join the fabric of essence of Vienna. And, people that would chose rather to disrespect us with contempt for our laws not be welcomed to tear-down what so many have worked so hard to build; the Town of Vienna, VA.
As to Vienna’s future, that remains in the hands of its citizens. Vienna has numerous challenges in its future. Does the current Town Leadership have the capacity to comprehend the challenges, navigate the troubled waters, plot the correct course to make Vienna better than it is remains a significant question? That debate is just beginning and I agree with you more voices of reason are needed. Will the Town of Vienna move forward in the twenty first century or will the Town suffer the same fate of its decaying water system?
Posted by: P Henry | August 6, 2008 11:00 AM
SW Mom,
Cottage street from Cedar Lane to the back of Magruder's has 11 boarding houses that I know of; there are 4 on Cottage St. just from Cedar Lane to Patrick St.
Patrick St. (end to end) has 6 that I know of -- 3 from Desale to Cottage. There is another one in Patrick Cir. across from Mike Polychrones.
Since you don't get out much, perhaps other people could post what they've got in their neighborhood.
Posted by: Leah | August 6, 2008 11:25 AM
For the uninitiated, how can one determine a flophouse while driving down Cottage, Patrick, etc. It seems they are concentrated in far SW/SE Vienna from what I have heard.
I am not sure if the current rash of attacks is 'unprecedented,' or if the higher-crime years of the 1970s and 1980s provided some bumper crops of crime.
Also, while one can point to the vacant buildings along Maple, you have to compare the actual vacancy percentages in other areas -- Fairfax City, Herndon, Falls Church City, Burke, etc., etc. for a true comparison.
Posted by: Shawn Pickrell | August 6, 2008 12:10 PM
I am not sure if the current rash of attacks is 'unprecedented,'
To the residents of the Town of Vienna, the following are recent high profile Vienna Police Department (VPD) media releases of arrest:
(as retrived from: http://www.viennava.gov/Town_Departments/police_media_releases.htm)
Arrest Made in Malicious Wounding of Vienna Inn Employee
At approximately 7:15 p.m. on July 26 Town of Vienna Police Officers and Detectives arrested 21 year old Jaimea Espinal of Vienna and charged him with Aggravated Malicious Wounding of the 38 year old Hispanic male victim; a Class 2 Felony.
Multiple Arrests for Unlawful Sexual Conduct Involving Minors:
Additional investigation revealed that sometime during the month of April, 2008 a then 17 year old male, engaged in Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of a Minor with one of the girls. This offense is a Class 6 Felony and the individual, now an adult, is being charged as a juvenile because of his age at the time of the offense. The individual, currently 18 years of age, was arrested and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center, formally charged, and held without bond.
Continuing investigation revealed that another adult male, Luis Roberto Portillo Ramos, 20 years of age of Vienna, had solicited sex from one of the girls. He was charged with Indecent Liberties with a Child, a Class 5 Felony. Mr. Portillo Ramos was already incarcerated on an unrelated charge at the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center. He was formally charged with Indecent Liberties with a Child and held without bond.
A third adult male, Jose Narisco Ramos Portillo, 19 years of age, of no fixed address was also arrested and charged with Aggravated Sexual Battery involving one of the girls. This charge is an unclassed Felony punishable by 1-20 years in prison upon conviction. This individual was also arrested and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center where he is being held without bond.
Man Abducted and Threatened With a Knife
The arrested subject forced the victim to remain in his room under threat of violence for approximately 4 hours. At approximately 2:00 p.m. the victim was able to exit the room and call the police.
Officers entered the home and found the suspect, Mr. Carrion Espinosa. He was arrested and charged with Abduction by Force and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center where he is being held without bond.
Malicious Wounding Occurs at Cedar Lane Shopping Center
Mr. Chacon- Morales was transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center. He was formally charged with Malicious Wounding and is currently being held without bond.
Cedar Lane Area Special Patrol
In November 2007, as a result of several significant incidents occurring at or near the Cedar Lane Shopping Center, members of the Town of Vienna Police Department were discreetly deployed in an attempt to thwart criminal activity in that area.
The following are Vienna Police reports of recent arrest (as retrieved from: http://www.viennava.gov/Town_Departments/police_vpd_highlights.htm)
VPD HIGHLIGHTS 8/01/08
Arrest- Driving While Intoxicated-3rd Offense in Five Years 08-7308
Cedar Lane and Park Street, SE July 25 10:53 p.m.
Sergeant Clingerman observed a vehicle commit several traffic infractions and conducted a traffic stop. During the traffic stop he determined that the driver was possibly impaired. After some field investigation the individual was arrested for Driving While Intoxicated. The driver, Mr. Marlon Javier Centeno-Hernandez, 26, of Cedar Lane in Vienna was transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center for analysis of his breath to determine his level of intoxication. After the test, he was formally charged with Driving While Intoxicated- 3rd Offense in Five Years and held without bond.
Missing Person Located- Juvenile 08-7383
200 Block Cedar Lane, SE
July 28 5:31 p.m.
Detective Sheeran encountered a 14 year old male juvenile that he knew from previous involvements with the Vienna Police. While interviewing the subject Detective Sheeran was given false identification and information from the subject. Detective Sheeran knew the correct identity of the subject and a wanted persons check revealed that the juvenile was wanted based upon multiple detention orders. The juvenile was taken in to custody and transported to Fairfax County Juvenile Intake and remanded to their custody.
Vandalism 08-7466
200 Block Cedar Lane, SE
July 30 5:15 a.m.
A vehicle had all four tires flattened while parked at the Islamic Center in the Cedar Lane Shopping Center.
Arrests- Drunk in Public 08-7512
200 Block Cedar Lane, SE
July 31 12:11 a.m.
A security guard at Cedar Lane Shopping Center called to advise that there were intoxicated individuals that would not leave. Officer Finelli arrived and investigated. After his investigation, one individual was arrested for Drunk in Public. The arrested, 39 year old Marka Penerro of Battery Road in Vienna was transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
A second individual was also found to be intoxicated and was arrested by Officer Simon and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center. The arrested was Fidel Guerrero Diaz, 36, of Cedar Lane in Vienna.
VPD HIGHLIGHTS 7/25/08
9-1-1 Hang- up call- Person with a Gun 08-7113
200 Block Cedar Lane, SE
July 19 7:25 p.m.
Officer Maiorana was dispatched along with other units for a 9-1-1 call in which the caller had hung up before much information could be gathered. The location was determined via an electronic system which identifies the location of an emergency phone call even if no verbal interaction takes place.
Upon his arrival Officer Maiorana located several individuals and began investigating. The investigation revealed that some of the subjects were involved in a verbal confrontation with some individuals that claimed to be members of a gang. Detective Sheeran, a Vienna Police Detective assigned to a regional gang task force, was called and he responded to the scene. Detective Sheeran was able to determine that one of the individuals involved in the confrontation had made gestures which could be construed as implying a weapon. He interviewed all participants in an attempt to gather more information on the individuals involved.
A short time later, a simulated handgun was found in the grass near the Vienna Park Apartments. It is not known at this time if this toy gun was involved in the aforementioned incident.
Arrests- Assault 08-7127
200 Block Cedar Lane, SE
July 20 3:37 a.m.
PFC Shaver and several other units responded for a 9-1-1 call in which the caller had hung up the phone before any verbal communication took place. The location was determined via a system which enables Vienna Police Dispatchers to locate the origin of emergency phone calls.
After arrival, it was discovered that two individuals were involved in a confrontation inside the El Punto Restaurant. The argument spilled over to the outside when the restaurant closed. It is believed that one victim was assaulted by two others and struck in the head however; several parties were less than cooperative with police. Two subjects appeared intoxicated and were subsequently arrested for Drunk in Public. Both subjects were transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
Arrested: Jose Yanez- Matias, 23, of No Fixed Address
Faustino Yanez, 27, of No Fixed Address
Arrests- Drunk in Public and Littering 08-7166
100 Block Patrick Street, SE
July 21 3:28 p.m.
Officer Monaco observed two individuals drinking beer in the open while patrolling the Cedar Lane Shopping Center. The cans were being discarded down a sewer drain behind the shopping center.
When the subjects observed the officer, one of them fled on foot and was apprehended by Officer Monaco after a short foot pursuit.
Both subjects were arrested for Drunk in Public and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center where they were each held on a $750.00 bond.
Arrested: Cruz Guzman 37, of Riverdale Road in Riverdale, MD
Rito Giron Hernandez 35, of Lee Highway in Fairfax, VA
Arrests- Drunk in Public 08-7182
Marshall Road Elementary School
700 Block Marshall Road, SW
July 22 12:35 a.m.
A citizen reported hearing a loud altercation at Marshall Road Elementary School during the night. Officer Simon arrived along with Officer Finelli and they discovered two subjects; one female and one male. They had been arguing loudly and there appeared to have been minor contact and physical damage to clothing.
The two subjects appeared intoxicated and both were arrested for Drunk in Public. They were both transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
Arrested: Jaffer A. Usmani, 28, of Grizzly Court in Manassas, VA
Hira Khan, 22, of Westwood Place in Sterling, VA
Arrest- Domestic Assault 08-7225
200 Block Cedar Lane, SE
July 22 8:42 p.m.
On July 22, 2008 at 8:42 p.m., the Department received a phone call from a 13 year old juvenile female stating that she had been assaulted. Upon arrival officers found the girl at a neighbor’s apartment. She had fled her own apartment after the assault. The girl stated that her mother, 32 year old Aalla Siddig, of Cedar Lane in Vienna had beaten her about both arms and one leg with a coaxial cable wire used in making cable T.V. connections. The beating was in response to the girl not returning home as requested and being generally disobedient. Multiple welts were observed on the girl’s appendages.
Fairfax County Child Protective Services was contacted and they responded to the apartment. The mother was arrested by Officer K. Smith and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center where she was charged with Domestic Assault of a Family Member and held on a $2500.00 bond. An Emergency Protective Order was issued as well. The victim and her siblings were placed in to the care of the mother’s brother in law.
VPD Highlights 07/18/08
Arrest- Drunk in Public 08-6745
400 Block Echols Street, SE
July 10 6:50 p.m.
PFC Pat Shaw responded for an unconscious person inside a vehicle. The individual, Telefilo Diaz Marquez, 30, of Wilson Blvd. in Arlington, VA was arrested for Drunk in Public. He was transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
Arrest- Narcotics Violation 08-6766
Cottage Street near Patrick Street, SW
July 11 9:10 a.m.
MPO Tom Taylor conducted a traffic stop for a speeding violation. MPO Taylor detected signs of possible drug presence in the vehicle.
Mr. Jean Yamil Risco Masias, 23, of Jermantown Road in Oakton, VA was summonsed for Speeding, No Drivers License, and Possession of Marijuana.
Arrest- Drunk in Public 08-6825
200 Block Cedar Lane
July 12 2:50 p.m.
Officer Steve Simon and Officer Mike Finelli responded to the pool area at the Vienna Park Apartments for disorderly individuals disturbing other swimmers and harassing the lifeguards. Jose Martinez, 21, of Cedar Lane in Vienna was arrested for Drunk in Public and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center. Willians Holl Reyes Dominguez, 21, of No Fixed Address, was also arrested for Drunk in Public and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
Arrest- Drunk in Public 08-6866
200 Block Cedar Lane, SE
July 14 12:18 a.m.
A patron at Neighbor’s Restaurant refused to leave after the bartender asked him to do so. Mr. Benitez Pedro Paniagua, 19, of Cedar Lane in Vienna was arrested for Drunk in Public and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
Arrest- Warrant Service 08-6952
400 Block Victoria Court, NW
July 15 12:59 p.m.
A citizen called and reported an unlicensed solicitor. PFC Pat Shaw responded and located the suspect. Further investigation revealed that the individual had an outstanding warrant for Failure to Appear on a Felony Charge.
Nelson Mendieta Hernandez, 29, of Hanover Avenue in Springfield, VA was arrested and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center. He was held without bond.
Arrest- Driving While Intoxicated 08-7019
Maple Avenue near Berry Street, SE
July 17 4:00 a.m.
Officer Stephanie Wilkerson conducted a traffic stop on a vehicle for excessive speed. After stopping the vehicle and making contact with the driver, she observed signs of possible impairment. The driver, Hector Rafael Gonzalez, 41, of Farr Drive in Fairfax, VA was given roadside sobriety tests and subsequently arrested for Driving While Intoxicated. He was transported to Vienna Police Headquarters for analysis of his breath to determine blood alcohol content. Mr. Gonzalez refused to allow his breath to be analyzed. Mr. Gonzalez was then transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center and formally charged with Driving While Intoxicated- 2nd Offense and Refusal to Submit to a Breath Test- 2nd Offense. He was held on an unsecured bond of $4000.00.
VPD Hightlights 07/11/08
Juvenile Complaint 08-6543
Cottage Street, SW
Ongoing from May 5 until July 5
A citizen reported that his young daughters had been inappropriately involved with other adult males.
Arrest- Abduction by Force 08-6517
100 Block Lewis Street, NW
July 4 between 10:45 a.m. and 2:11 p.m.
Officer Juan Vazquez was dispatched to an assault on Lewis Street. The investigation revealed that one individual told the victim to go purchase alcohol and the subject refused. The arrested, Mr. Vicente De Jesus Carrion Espinosa, 42, of Lewis Street in Vienna, then produced a knife and chased the victim in to a bedroom. The victim was held in the room for approximately 4 hours until he was able to escape and notify police.
Mr. Carrion Espinosa was arrested and charged with Abduction and transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center. He was being held without bond.
Arrest- Disorderly Conduct 08-6521
200 Block Cedar Lane, SE
July 4 4:10 p.m.
A citizen flagged down Officer Kristin Ruddy and reported a suspicious event had just occurred. The citizen reported that a subject had made threatening and unusual statements to her. Officer Ruddy located the subject in a nearby store. After the subject became aggressive towards the officer and became disorderly, he was arrested for Disorderly Conduct. The arrested, Mr. Christopher Rodriguez, 20, of Graham Court in Falls Church, VA, was then taken to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center
Arrest- Drunk in Public 08-6651
200 Block Cedar Lane, SE
July 9 12:39 a.m.
Officer Stephanie Wilkerson found an individual slumped over on a curb at the Cedar Lane Shopping Center. Mr. Cristobal Martinez Hernandez, 38, of an unknown address was arrested and charged with Drunk in Public. He was transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
Child Left Unattended 08-6659
200 Block Cedar Lane, SE
July 9 9:37 a.m.
A 6 year old girl called police stating that she had not seen her mother in a long time. Arriving officers found the girl in an apartment alone. Officer Matt Maiorana was able to locate useful contact information for the girl’s mother as well as her aunt. The aunt believed that the girl was being watched by another individual however, without her knowing, that person had left to go to another job. It was later learned that this family was involved in another case in which Fairfax County Child Protective Services was involved. They were notified of this event as well.
VPD Highlights 07/03/08
Arrest- Driving While Intoxicated 08-6277
Park Street at Patrick Street, SE
June 27 11:34 p.m.
Officer Steve Simon conducted a traffic stop for a vehicle driving with no headlights. After stopping, the driver was found to be impaired. The driver, Victor Daniel Castro-Elguera, 21, of Cedar Lane in Vienna, was arrested for Driving While Intoxicated, No Operators License, and Driving with No Headlights. He was taken to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center and charged formally. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.) was notified of the arrest as Mr. Castro-Elguera was found to be an illegal alien.
Arrest- Driving While Intoxicated 08-6279
Maple Avenue at Beulah Road, NE
June 28 12:21 a.m.
MPO Art Sylmar conducted a traffic stop on a vehicle for various traffic violations. After stopping the vehicle, the driver, 23 year old Alejandro Rouco of Nicholson Street in Washington, DC was found to be impaired. He was arrested and taken to Vienna Police Headquarters for analysis of his breath to determine blood alcohol content. Subsequent to the analysis, Mr. Rouco was taken to the Fairfax County Adult Detention center, formally charged, and held without bond.
To the Vienna residents, why is all this crime and illegal activity taking place in your hometown neighborhoods? Is this the Vienna you want to live-in? Have you considered your family’s personal safety? Are you one drunk driver from a family devastation? Google “Mr. Passarelli, Herndon, VA” to understand the magnitude of what is happening to Vienna.
Posted by: P Henry | August 6, 2008 01:12 PM
From Shawn:
"For the uninitiated, how can one determine a flophouse while driving down Cottage, Patrick, etc."
Shawn, my husband and I grew up in Vienna, and we've lived here all of our lives. We know what is happening in our neighborhood and we know a lot of people who have shared with us what is happening on their respective streets.
We also know a flop/boarding house when we see it -- lots of cars (some without plates), lots of bicycles, lots of people (mostly young men but not always) coming and going at all hours, with the police showing up with some amount of frequency. For more proof, you can also check out the many rooms/space for rent notices in the dollar store and grocery stores around town and at the Cedar Lane Shopping Center. (One sign I saw recently actually listed whether the sleeping space was a day or night situation.)
I think the saddest thing, though, are the number of elderly people (like my in-laws in Hickory Circle) who live in fear of their neighbors, but can't afford to move. My in-laws have a boarding house two doors down and one behind them, with occupants who have been arrested for drugs, violent assaults, and sex crimes.
Posted by: Leah | August 6, 2008 01:26 PM
It is a shame your in-laws family has to be subject to a habitual DWI offender driving in their neighborhood. Not to mention the aiding and abetting ID fraud so others can break our laws.
"RAMOS ","FREDIS "," ","034"," 118","HICKORY CIRCLES ","WY","VIENNA ","VA","08/23/2006","DWI/2ND OR SUBSEQUENT "
"RAMOS ","FREDIS "," ","035"," 118","HICKORY CIRCLES ","WY","VIENNA ","VA","10/05/2007","MFG/SALE/POSS OF FICT/SIMUL OL "
Posted by: Right behind Town Hall | August 6, 2008 01:40 PM
Leah, thank you for the 'hints.' But given the continual re-election of TC incumbents, it seems people really aren't *all* that mad about flophouses/illegal aliens.
I made an offer on the place at 117 Hickory (I suspect it was a flophouse) when it was a short sale. Wachovia decided it would rather lose all its money instead of recouping 50-60%. So, who knows who's moving there. Not this young family.
Posted by: Shawn Pickrell | August 6, 2008 03:36 PM
And this is one of the borders who lives off and on in that house as well:
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","025"," 118","HICKORY ","PL","VIENNA ","VA","09/15/2006","ASSAULT-SIMPLE "
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","025"," 118","HICKORY ","PL","VIENNA ","VA","09/15/2006","DESTRUCTION-PRIV PROP "
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","025"," 118","HICKORY ","PL","VIENNA ","VA","11/04/2006","WINDOW PEEPING "
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","026"," 118","HICKORY ","PL","VIENNA ","VA","01/11/2007","TRESPASS-POSTED OR ADVISED TO LV "
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","026"," 118","HICKORY ","PL","VIENNA ","VA","02/20/2007","OTHER ARREST-MISCELLANEOUS "
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","026"," 118","HICKORY ","PL","VIENNA ","VA","02/20/2007","OTHER WARRANT "
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","027"," 118","HICKORY ","PL","VIENNA ","VA","01/23/2008","FAIL ANSWER SUMMONS "
Posted by: Leah | August 6, 2008 04:03 PM
And here are his offenses when he lived at no fixed address:
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","023"," ","NO FIXED "," "," "," ","10/03/2004","DRUNK IN PUBLIC OR PROFANE "
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","026"," ","NO FIXED "," "," "," ","05/04/2007","DRUNK IN PUBLIC OR PROFANE "
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","026"," ","NO FIXED "," "," "," ","06/09/2007","PAROLE,PROB SUPERVISION VIOL "
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","026"," ","NO FIXED "," "," "," ","06/09/2007","TRESPASS-PVT PROP AFTER NOTICE "
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","027"," ","NO FIXED "," "," "," ","12/29/2007","TRESPASS-POSTED OR ADVISED TO LV "
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","027"," ","NO FIXED ADDRESS "," "," "," ","03/09/2008","DRUNK IN PUBLIC OR PROFANE "
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","027"," ","NO FIXED ADDRESS "," "," "," ","03/09/2008","RESISTING A LAWFUL ARREST "
"FUENTES ","MIGUEL ","A","027"," ","NO FIXED ADDRESS "," "," "," ","03/09/2008","TRESPASS-POSTED OR ADVISED TO LV "
Posted by: Leah | August 6, 2008 04:07 PM
I made an offer on the place at 117 Hickory
Yes Shawn, it is too bad Wachovia didn't accept your offer. Otherwise, you could be moving your family next to Mr. Ramos & Mr. Fuentes. Although, seeing you personal acceptance that illegals in your community are okay, your family would make great neighbors.
Posted by: Right behind Town Hall | August 6, 2008 04:58 PM
Leah, those are only the offenses Mr. Fluntes was charged with by the FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE... he does get around. No telling how many times the idiot has been ticketed/arrested by the VPD... they'll never tell you.
Posted by: Keep'm in the dark | August 6, 2008 05:02 PM
One thing about Hickory Cir. in SW... its right behind Maud's house. Hope she sleeps well at night.
Posted by: Who's that peeping in my window? | August 6, 2008 05:06 PM
Shawn,
I think you dodged a bullet on 117 Hickory. BTW, illegal aliens are not the sole cause of flop/boarding houses in Vienna. If I remember correctly, 117 had a group of borders living in that house who were American.
I live next door to a family that rents out their basement to at least six other people -- mostly men. Over the last two years we have had tools and other items stolen, our shed broken into, people drunk and sleeping in our yard, and worst of all, some of the renters actually deficated in our yard. My son and I came outside to put out the trash one day last summer, and actually caught one of them in the act -- in broad daylight.
Posted by: Leah | August 6, 2008 05:08 PM
For some perspective on how much hv.com really cares about any of this, check out the comments in this posting from last year on a similar topic:
http://www.historicvienna.com/2007/10/laurie_cole_the_definition_of.html
Funny how the hv.com crew guys suddenly discovered all these flophouses after vigorously denying their existence less than a year ago. Hey HV, do you still oppose any efforts by the town council to reign in absentee landlords? And do you still insist that the worst properties in town are owner-occupied?
Posted by: An inconstant son | August 7, 2008 07:57 AM
I just remembered that 117 Hickory was owned by someone with a Hispanic last name. I personally have not (yet?) been affected by illegals/flophouses. As far as I know, unless a Caucasian family is renting out their basement to six of their best friends, there's no flophouses on my block.
I don't think illegal aliens being present in the numbers they now are is OK.
I do think many of the proposed cures are worse than the disease. Unless, of course, you think deporting 100,000 or so people can (1) be done cheaply and painlessly and (2) will lead to the other 9.9 million meekly all deciding, 'OK, let's all go back home,' instead of acting out.
The prospect of a Berlin Wall-style barrier along the border does not warm the cockles of my heart as barriers that keep people out can also keep people in. Going after businesses that hire illegals seems to be the easiest option.
In the meantime, I'm not sure why flophouses are not aggressively targeted aside from the TC 'not being personally affected' or fears of professional Hispanics (I use this term to describe people who make their living from being Hispanic) protesting.
A couple of high-profile busts of non-Hispanic flophouses and busts of flophouses where criminals are housed should allay the latter fears.
I rather like the past 50 years' experiment with multi-culturalism. It rather beats the alternative of going back to being suspicious of other races/cultures and threatening to move when a Negro wants to live on my block.
Pat Buchanan and those who agree with him are saying there is no real alternative to this healthy suspicion and that multi-culturalism is doomed to failure from the beginning. He may be right. I'd rather he wasn't.
Posted by: Shawn Pickrell | August 7, 2008 09:16 AM
I personally have not (yet?) been affected by illegals/flophouses.
"Yet" is the operative word... Google “Mr. Passarelli, Herndon, VA” and then think about your family.
Going after businesses that hire illegals seems to be the easiest option.
What about business that aid and abet illegals? Like, say the Vienna Park Apartments?
I don't think illegal aliens being present in the numbers they now are is OK.
Just so I understand, how many people that break our laws do you have a tolerance for?
What do you say to the immigrant that came here through the proper immigration process? "Na, you didn't have to do that the legal way" "I don't care if you snaked-in and cheapen the proud, personal achievement, of reaching your goal of becoming a legal U.S. Citizen"
I'm no Pat Buchanan fan but my parents taught me right from wrong. And, trust me, I understand what is wrong.
Posted by: P Henry | August 7, 2008 03:39 PM
An inconstant son:
The Town could enforce the laws already in place to battle any supposed "flop houses": maximum occupancy by non-related individuals, expired tags on cars, and lawn height. Is this being done by the Vienna police or zoning officials? I have no idea.
In NW Vienna, we do not seem to have a proliferation of "flop houses" either. Most are being torn down since the land is too valuable.
Posted by: vienna mommy | August 7, 2008 05:08 PM
So they're "supposed" flophouses again? Do you and the rest of the HV.com crew admit you were dead wrong in denying the existence of a problem last year, or do you still think anyone with a complaint about a rental property is a "twit"?
Anyhow, in case you didn't notice, Prince William County had basically zero success in getting rid of problem rental properties by enforcing laws on occupancy, grass, etc. That's what led them to the "deport them all" approach that they're currently taking.
To quote your spiritual leader, "Why don't you explain how this a** backwards idea would be enforced? Is enforcement free in your world?" (Posted by: HV | October 26, 2007 04:33 PM)
Posted by: An inconstant son | August 7, 2008 10:09 PM
P Henry:
From most of what I have heard, going 1-9 miles over the speed limit is generally tolerated around the Commonwealth. I trust you *never* go above 55 on I-66 or above 25 on Vienna's many residential streets.
What's my point? Simply that some degree of law breaking is tolerated in the name of not making enforcement a greater weight on people than the lawbreaking. Reasonable people may disagree on where to draw this line.
If a cure is worse than the disease, what solution do you propose?
Unless, of course, you're ready to (1) erect Berlin Wall-style barriers, (2) replicate the photograph of Immigration agents taking Elian at gunpoint dozens of times, and (3) be prepared to deal with large numbers of illegals with nothing to lose. I'm sure I'm missing something here.
Is law enforcement worth all that? Closer to home, is it worth foreclosure rates comparable to Cleveland and Prince William County?
It may not come to that.
But don't pretend enforcement against illegal immigration is guaranteed to be painless.
It also helps if you, and those who agree with you, don't treat people who have questions about your proposed solutions as vaguely traitorous.
An inconstant son:
It seems at least some opinions are changing regarding flophouses.
Of course this site was created to protest the Windover Heights Historic District, which prevents the site's founder from building townhouses on the land he bought. Flophouses aren't a problem in this scheme as NW and NE are not as affected.
See, deincorporation would probably mean no more WH Historic District.
Or so goes the party line of the Town Council and supporters thereof.
Posted by: Shawn Pickrell | August 8, 2008 09:22 AM
It also helps if you, and those who agree with you, don't treat people who have questions about your proposed solutions as vaguely traitorous.
What solutions have been proposed? Law Enforcement? I’m guessing you disagree that it is the complete disregard for our immigration laws over the last thirty years that have us in this illegal alien quagmire?
Vaguely traitorous? Trust me, if I thought you were a traitor, I’d be the first one to call you out. Nothing more un-American than forsaking your country. You’re the devils advocate on this blog so I just want you to be painfully clear on your positions; I believe you feel you represent the middle ground or the voice of reason. Not that I’m buying any of that.
But don't pretend enforcement against illegal immigration is guaranteed to be painless.
I never said it would be. WWII wasn’t painless either and my father, rest his soul, lies with his American countrymen in Arlington Cemetery. And, I’m not calling you a trader, but that man, and millions other fought for his country so you and I can enjoy the blessings of our country. He most certainly never ever envisioned the day that our country would be besieged by an invasion of unarmed Central Americans. And that our government, based upon the greed of capitalism and cheap, slave, labor, would sacrifice our children’s and grand children’s future.
You think I’m being naive with that speeding on Vienna’s 25 mph roads can be equated to the kind of crimes being perpetrated on society today? I’m guessing, you haven’t have not had the opportunity to read how and why Mr. Passarelli life ended. Or, perhaps his murder is the level of degree of law breaking that is tolerated in the name of not making enforcement a greater weight on people than the lawbreaking? Yes, indeed, where will you draw the line.
So, Mr. Devil’s advocate, answer me this one honestly. How would you feel if what happen to Mr. Passarelli happen to one of your family members? Read the VPD reports. There is not a day that goes by you and your family’s personal safety is not in jeopardy in Vienna.
Posted by: P Henry | August 8, 2008 04:29 PM
An inconstant son:
Quiero a la popa en su yarda!
Posted by: La Persona de HV.com Crew | August 8, 2008 04:44 PM
La Persona de HV.com Crew:
asegúrese de recoger después de ti
Posted by: excrementos de perro | August 8, 2008 08:25 PM
I'm having a little problem with your espanol, HV. Here are the translations offered by the internet:
Google translate: I want to stern in his yard!
Yahoo Babelfish: I want to the stern in its yard!
Reverso translation: I want to the stern in his(her,your) yardstick!
None of these things seem to have anything to do with your vehement denial that any problem rental properties existed in Vienna last year, or your insistence that it would be impossible for the town to perform any form of law enforcement on such properties. But it does make me wonder what you do in your yard when no one's looking.
Posted by: An inconstant son | August 8, 2008 09:07 PM
Moronic statement. WHHD does not prevent any such thing. But that type of mindless attention to detail is why Vienna ain't in such great shape.
Posted by: Huh? | August 8, 2008 09:13 PM